The Aryan race: the origin of the Myth
61Under the British Empire It was widely claimed that the Aryans were white people who had invaded India in ancient times
The term Aryan ("noble", "spiritual") originates with the Indo-Iranian self-designation arya, attested in the ancient texts of Hinduism. Under the British Empire, the British rulers exploited that idea in order to ally British power with the Indian caste system. It was widely claimed that the Aryans were white people who had invaded India in ancient times, subordinating the darker skinned native Dravidian peoples, who were pushed to the south.
Thus the foundation of Hinduism was ascribed to northern invaders who had established themselves as the dominant castes, and who were supposed to have created the sophisticated Vedic texts. Much of these theories were conjectures fueled by European imperialism. This styling of an "Aryan invasion" by British colonial fantasies of racial supremacy lies at the origin of the fact that all discussion of historical Indo-Aryan migrations or Aryan and Dravidian "races" remains highly controversial in India to this day, and does continue to affect political and religious debate.
The Theosophical movement of Helena Blavatsky took inspiration from that Indian culture
The Theosophical movement - an early kind of New Age philosophy - founded by Helena Blavatsky , took inspiration from that Indian culture. Blavatsky argued that humanity had descended from a series of "Root Races", naming the fifth root race (out of seven) the "Aryan" Race. She thought that the Aryans originally came from Atlantis and described the Aryan races with the following words:
"The Aryan races, for instance, now varying from dark brown, almost black, red-brown-yellow, down to the whitest creamy colour, are yet all of one and the same stock -- the Fifth Root-Race -- and spring from one single progenitor, (...) who is said to have lived over 18,000,000 years ago, and also 850,000 years ago -- at the time of the sinking of the last remnants of the great continent of Atlantis."
Blavatsky used "Root Race" as a technical term to describe human evolution over the large time periods in her cosmology. However, she also claimed that there were modern non-Aryan peoples who were inferior to Aryans. She regularly contrasts "Aryan" with "Semitic" culture, to the detriment of the latter, asserting that Semitic peoples are an offshoot of Aryans who have become "degenerate in spirituality and perfected in materiality."
A paper from Sebottendorf founder of the Thule Society which began with a discussion of Hitler's racial ideology and its parallels to Blavatsky's esoteric thought shows the possible channels by which Theosophical thought might have reached Hitler and helped to determine his own racial ideology.
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I agree with what you say about the Aryan myth!
Its not a myth. Its alternative theory for there are no takers. It may sound seductive not to belive in the aryan invasion theory. how do you account for the differences between north and south indians. Have you head of Asko Parpola, might want to read his explantion.
Yes the Race of Aryans originated in India, Iran and Central Asia. Lord Ram is Aryaputra (son of Aryans). Thus this topic is not worth dicussing. People (mainly foreigners) are trying to make things uncertain to remove the Aryan word from India.
Yea. Aryan race is a myth, in my opinion, mostly, because of the fact that all people who are blonde-haired and blue eyed do not all have a common ancestral origin. You can give birth to one person who is blonde-haired and blue-eyed and have another who is red-haired with green eyes and you can find blondes with blue eyes in various regions of Europe.
Some people say the whole idea of race is a myth, but I would contest that, simply, because white people can't have Black babies...unless they procreate with Black people. However, the idea that certain favorable health qualities can be isolated into one particular race...that, I would say, is pure fiction. Clearly, it has been proven that with proper training (educational, or athletic) a person can obtain the qualities they most desire.
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Yes despite the assertion that Blavatski and the nodern "new age" movement in general is about universal love it IS in fact fascist to its core. The first book by William judge about Theosophy printed in 1893 in New York was printed under Aryan Press and had a picture of a swastica on its title page. So why is it fascist ? The Italian writer Umberto Eco has written a good definition of fascism and its characteristics. One of these characteristics is syncretism. Blavaskis books and all new age books after her contain whole sections on syncretism. There can be no advancement of learning in theosophy. The entire truth has already been spelled out. The "new age" of one syncrenistic religion and one world socialist government, and one world economic system is handed down from on high by god and can't be questioned. Funny how this by definition entails the wiping out or swallowing up of all ways of being that don't conform to this "truth". They call it social "unity" but in reality its total social conformity and the abandonement of all individual thought for the sake of the group. Every new age book published today has a section about how hitler was actually a really good guy doing gods mysterious work. Its all very dangerous 100% fascism. The Nazis also by the way seemd to think they were spreading peace and love and freedom and harmony with nature through their actions. go figure. This also points to the idea that fascism itself originated in the united states.
I forgot to add this so i post again.
Of course Theosophy and "new age" borrow and then bastardise ideas from other cultures. Its a form a colonialism. The taking of the resource of ideas from other cultures. This is because Threosphy and "new age" is racist. all new age books are about ancient tibettans or toltec indians from outer space. A bastardised absurd interpretation of something Hindu. A bizzare misinterpretetion of some native american ritual. It desn't mean Aryan wasn't real in some sense in India.
Example: Native americans write a book about how Jesus came in a puff of white buffalo woman smoke to some ancient Celts that were their ancestors and taught them how to make igloos to keep warm.
It doesn't mean there were no ancient Celts just because their version of the Celts is a little off the mark.
all races were one.division came about by selective breeding done by high priests.read your history books. the real ones.
aryan invasion theory is rational taking into account obvious differences between north and south indians.
c all this waste debates leads us nowhere first in the name of aryan all these stuff u waste the time,but try to understand that v r all gods children n especially humans first. v must try to live in present day world let us leave the confusion to the god who will take care of everything,y to debate over history which v just claim superiority one over the other and in the name of that v lose to understand who we really r v r divine souls immortality is in our breathe fight for it n u will get it thats the last resort for every indians the europeans,americans anyone,its the highest goal of man to seek god.
jai hind!!!!!! long live all of u oh immortals.
Ram is Aryaputra and everywhere in Indian and Iranian culture the Aryan Race is mentioned. So where is the controversy? How can I help if you do not like Aryan word and Swastika? Read below-
I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings The king of many countries and many peoples The king of this expansive land, The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid, Persian, the son of a Persian, 'Aryan', from the Aryan race "From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam" Written in 500BC
its hard to know for sure which way around this all took place, but if you look logiclly at this you will find the aryan race is not in anyway the same as light skined indians, light skined indians are because of inter-breeding with lighter skined race such as chinese, mongals and nepalesse. not so far traveling europens.
very true!
I'm an Aryan. I'm no myth and I'm proud of who I am.
Every time north indians bring up this aryan theory, I laugh to myself since they are trying to associate themselves with whites....Makes them feel good about themselves..
If you care to look it up you will find that there is an Anglo-Saxon word ARIAN that means glorious.
The Aryan Invasion is a myth obviously, the differences between North and South Indians has to do with geography...just like the differences between North and South Italians or East and West Europeans...it doesn't indicate an 'invasion' at all, just migration at best
Obviously since North India is closer to the Middle East and Europe, the DNA of North Indians will be closer to Middle Eastern and European
Also the word 'Arya' or 'Ariya' or 'Aryan' in Indian texts has only meant "Noble One" it has never been defined as being associated to a physical race, only a behavioral quality
"Arya, who worked for the equality of all and was dear to everyone" - Ramayana
what it is?
dravida rajyam(india) belongs to dravidians(the south indians...especially tamils)....
well i cannot say whether it is true or false but i live in area bordering delhi and what i see is from north to south and from west to east color of skin darkens and the fair color in northwest is not due to aryan invasion but because of scythian invasion and fair color is particularly restricted to group having scythian origin - punjabis jats gujars rajputs(of west only)
Whites are the noble race. Without us, you all starve. White Pride World Wide.
the aryans where people from the 2500 b.c. that took over the harrapen civilazation that leaft their homeland becuase they all, well, wanted to! they did not move so they could invade the entire country side! god your all a bunch of idiots!!!!!!!!
( P.S. woody, your a racist jerk! if you where a nazi and this was 1932(i AM really a jew) i would KILL YOU!!!)
according to genetic research done on 2000 and 2009 on more than 1 Indian million people by Harvard medical, they states that north Indian and south Indian share same mdna, and mdna of west European people have difference . if there would be any link . the mdna should be same , but both have different genes.
No jewish, egyptian, iranian, avestan, greek religious or history book has any information regarding war between aryan/ or so called north india .
But avestan text and jewish text has mentioned sarasvati river and it's approx drying period . Jewish too do not have any account for any war .
If you go by religiou and mythological way :-
Even according to From Ancient text which tell different story to us about the relation between north indian and south indian .
Vaivasvat Manu the proginator of race, was a south indian king , during the great flood he with another 7 sages, went to sumeru parvat where he established the religion and humanity, as time pass people migrated from the root of sumeru to other places .
Stop Fighting Like An Idiot . People can only give theories and hypothesis , and never forget that Every mythology hold some truth in it .
Have fun and be a good human . Horizonrays
I am White, like the Iranian gal says, I am no myth. Race is no muyth. I'm right and I'm superior.
WPWW
@ dutch84
You're right, two Europeans can't have an African baby, just as two Africans can't have a European baby. However I must admit I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
Race is not a myth. Racial egalitarianism is the myth. Race is real and it is genetically determined. Some incredibly ignorant people would have you believe simply because the genetic variation between races is small that those differences are of no consequence which is asinine. We share 98% of our genetic composition with Baboons, naturally variation within the same species is going to be small. In genetics even the tiniest variation can be of dramatic consequences.
Fundamentalist Christians have Creationism which they parade as science, Communists and left wing extremists have racial egalitarianism. Both groups should keep their ignorant delusions and romantic fairy tales out of science and academia!
Supposedly, Aryan race denotes Blonde haired, blue eyed Europeans. Thats one Myth that's easily smashed!
Blonde isn't a Race, it is however a trait exclusive to the European people. Blonde hair and blue eyes are typically (but not exclusively) Nordic traits. The Nordic people are just one branch of the 'Aryan race'.
In the eyes of the Third Reich You could have brown eyes, brown hair and even have darker (olive) skin. As long as your genealogical background was deemed completely or predominately Germanic then you were classed an Aryan. Nazi Germany spared no expense in romanticizing their ancient Germanic/Aryan history and idealized the tall, blonde, blue eyed Nordic image. I guess this is where the whole misnomer started... Obviously Allied propaganda would have done its job too! I would submit that the Allies propagated the idea that Hitler wanted a whole world of blue eyed blonde haired Aryans (despite the fact he and close to half of the German population were Brunettes) To make Hitler appear all the more insane and indiscriminately murderous and also to prevent ethnically 'Aryan' people on the allied side from sympathizing with the National Socialist cause and Aryan 'Weltanschauung' ideology, which was ultimately Pan-Aryan in nature.
All Europeans have a common ancestral origin, regardless their hair color, eye color or the shade of their skin. We are all 'Aryan'. Sons and Daughters of Europa!
Wolfzeit> Hitler did indeed want only blonde-haired blue-eyed people, the fact that most Germans didn't fit that ideal is irrelevant to the point. As far as Hitler was concerned most Germans did not meet the ideal type. In his own view he had to make do with what 'stock' he had. Hence why only those meeting the ideal type were eligible to join the SS, at least in theory, in practice there was a simply not enough Germans who met the ideal Nordic type and so even the SS had men who in the eyes of HImmler in particular were the products of a milenia of 'degeneration'. Hitlers insane racial views are no Myth. According to him the mass of Germans themselves were of inferior stock to the upper classes of Germany even to the point of being a different and inferior racial type. -Which is why he found it so easy to order the scorched earth policy that would have led to the death of millions of Germans. Your knowledge of History is lacking, if your going to be a Nazi at least educate yourself properly.
In the words of Michael Douglas
'I am an American, your a sick fuck'
ps - Hitler was faggot and a bitch, so are you.
Follow your leader - SHOOT YOURSELF!
I just pity on europians. In no sense what so ever Aryan word is associated with you where as there are numerous references to Aryans in indian and Iranian culture. Europians as usual have a habit of forgery and stealing. Just go back to no more than 300 years and you can see the standard of your living. Even till now you are sustaining on the natural resources of other countries by hook and crook. Any ways keep drinking and living in dreams.
The term 'Aryan' means civilized or noble. The Aryans were believed to be a fair people who brought civlization to India. The fairer an Indian's skin was, the more likely they were to have Aryan blood. Aryans just sound like White people to me. In fact, they spoke Sanskrit which is related to European languages, and all European languages are considered to be Aryan languages. The Aryan symbol was the swastika, and the swastika has been used by the Celts, Greeks, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, and Slavs, as well Eastern peoples. They found White mummies in northern China, they have red and blond hair. The historians found out they were the ancestors of a people known as the Tocharians. On the bowls which were found with the Tocharian mummies, the symbol of the swastika was carved on them. It's quite obvious that the Aryan race is the White race. Many Middle Eastern and Indian people actually have fair skin, and blue eyes. Blue eyes can be found in Iran, and Iran means Land of the Aryans. Hitler's theories were certainly true. Aryans are Indo-Europeans. We must never deny this history, it is important, and it is part of many people's identity which they have forgotten about.
Everyone knows that the myth isn't really true.
@Historicalresearcher
Actually, the Aryan race theory is a myth... According to modern-day science, or according to non-ignorant smart people whom refuse to entertain completely unproven theories of primitive racist bigots, all human DNA is 99% the same. In other words, we are all of the homosapien species - all human beings. All this, "our race/cultural" is superior to yours racial bigotry is just that, racial bigotry and ONLY serves to further divide humanity - it's counter-productive and dangerous.
the abovestated theory regarding aryan's possessing blonde hair and blue eyes are simply nonsense...those are the traits developed for aiding synthesis of vitamin d in colder region...e'en u can observe the europeans living near mediterranean have dark hair...nd so the theory aryans in the iran nd north india is also true..since various mentions are found in literatures..but some are now also claiming that the south indians also have similarity with the caucasoid skull..maybe they've developed dark skin due to lower latitudes..since though they r dark skinned they have sharp nose and mostly straight hair..nd they also set up a very well organized civilization.....all this racial fanaticism brought up by this european..if they are so proud about their past and race...i would like to ask one question...every continent has a great civilization in its past except europe..u were nothing but leading some barbaric and nomadic life...there's nothing glorious about your past...try to live in present...learning from the mistakes of your past.
Indians, all Indians have nothing, repeat, NOTHING to do with Europe, or Europeans. You are not our Kin.
The aryan race was the first "gods" of the ancient world.
These are the real hummans as we know tuday. The europeans, meny years ago, the 20th century try to convince the world that people like the germans are the real aryan race, big mistake because all the people are progeny of those that came to earth at least 20.000 years before jesus.
yes indeed you are WHITE , so you belong to the WHITE RACE.WHITE RACE does not mean that you belong to the ARYANS.HITLER was an ISANE LOW SOUL.
I am kind of speechless that no matter wat you ppl put down, either scientific, personal, or religious you all just keep on going about wat is true and wat is not. I would just like to say that if the Aryans did exist than they did I do not think that they belonged to any race and I think that those of you who are trying to caterogize them into a race, are just trying to prove or solve your own races superiority and so that would make you childish in some way in trying to show off your new "toy". I would think that the Aryan was a great group of individuals that came to us and helped us along our way of development so that we could set a path into the future and then left us to figure out our own devices, which I would say we are NOT doing a good job at since all you guys have done on this post in bicker back and forth to each other like little children on want to prove they the other is wrong. I myself am greatly disappointed in all of you who just can't have a decent convo about this. If the Aryans could see us now or the Christans god or whoever watches over us, they would be deeply disappointed in our behavior towards other human beings.
^ very true
i love this site it told me everything i needed to know!!!!
There is no such thing as "Aryan Race." The word Aryan was used only for linguistics purposes. And yes a "WHITE" WOMAN CAN GIVE BIRTH TO A "BLACK" BABY without the help of "Black" person...it is called CHIMERISM. Look it up.
Btw we are all apart of one race so please stop feeding into this idea of divide and conquer. This is why the world is in such a bad state and why racism (a very bad form of a type of prejudice) exist...
THE DAY WE STOP TRYING TO OUT POINT OUR DIFFERENCES WHETHER IT BE PHYSICAL, SOCIAL OR RELIGIOUSLY IS THE DAY OUR WORLD/PLANET WILL BE INFERIOR.
THE DAY WE STOP TRYING TO OUT POINT OUR DIFFERENCES WHETHER IT BE PHYSICAL, SOCIAL OR RELIGIOUSLY IS THE DAY OUR WORLD/PLANET WILL BE SUPERIOR
Sorry for the Typo :P
To Star_Blue you're right!
Thanks T, I agree with your comment also 100%. We all just need to grow up!
All this fighting about what race and religion is superior is so pointless. We all live in separate countries where we have our one races, and that's is our respective unit of currancy, the only race that matters. Someone can be green for all intents and purposes but if if he lives in a mansion, drives a ferrari, wears a vacheron and gucci I don't think he'd give up that in a million years to be a broke ass redneck or blond haired blue eyed European factory worker or Russian prostitute( many have blond hair and blue eyes). To all the whites who feel superior because of their colour, it's probably because you all don't have any real sense of self worth. I belong to the only race, the race of the almighty dollar where I don't need any research or historian to tell me what I am.
to who cares: the dollar is why we as a world of one man, is in this mess of who contorls what. nature and the world around us is the only true thing we can count on. for if we dont take care of her, she will let us done and we will die out like we did to the dodo bird. for get the dollar your house car tv and meterial things. if nature die so do you. stop thinking about yourself, and think of all of nature cause like i said the only thing that is real. we can reach for the universe, but intill we get back to nature that goal will never be reached. wake up world the bankers got your panties in a twist and you let them. i've woking up to it, so i wont let them get me down anymore. why are far to intelligent to let one group of 120 men who are who we are to control us. it might work for china, but the rest of the world once had freedom, even though american and france started the revolution in the first place. stop fighting which mand is defferent from the other, no on is, we are man, and divided we fall. but together we stand to live again. stop bilderberg and the golabist bankers fuck us all. life is to short and precious to let someone else take it away from you. family, friends, and fellow man is all that matters not money or meterial things!!!!! we are in a info war, and we are all losing because people do things like this that divides us!!! there's a war on for your mind, will you let them take it?
I think you are on the wrong site and are speaking like an naive child. Firstly, at some point the house you're living in was probably a forested area so if yo care so much about nature flatten your house and plant some trees. That would be good for nature. Secondly, if you have never or huge global financial firms maybe your parents did, probably to buy their first car to take to to school or buy the house you grew up in or pay for your university education. Thirdly, man has always and will always be divided and you have to be a childish idiot to not see that money is what controls the world. It's probably sad but true. I have a feeling you don't really have much money and that's ok but don't come down on those who have.. Ps.. If you don't want to be part of an 'info war' don't post comments over the internet...and I'm sure your computer uses electricity.. Don't use it save the environment...
And now we are back to bickering!!
To identify myself, I am a North Indian Brahmin .
Though I would have loved to wish that there wasn't any difference between North indian and South indian people yet sadly there is some truth to it and there is a little difference.
North Indians at large and demographic groups like Brahmanas(both North and south indian resp.), Rajpoots, Jats, Gujjars, Pathans, Makrani baloochis, Punjabis, Kashmiris , Himacalis, Sindhis are known to carry the Y DNA haplogroup R1a1a supposed to be the Aryan Race due to lack of name. Indians today at large are a mixed race as our paternal ancestors at some point might have mixed with other maternal ancestors of indigenous races to the indian subcontinent from the ancient times in order to strengthen their number.This is revealed to us through our maternal lineage in the form of mtDNA haplogroup.
For example in the Tarim basin(situated in China to the North East to Kashmir) in ancient times there were already people of a mixed race living there with their Father side as Aryan lineage and mother side as Asian lineage that is some kind of mongolic or Turkic race mostly belonging to haplogroup C.
The Tocharian(Tarim) mummies found in western China province of Xingjiang by genetic researchers were found to have Caucasoid features and most of these mummies carried R1a1a Y DNA and were not mixed except for a few of them.These mummies were found to be white in skin color with blue and green color eyes and blond to redish brown color hair.
These mummies also had great heights.
Now lets see why we aren't really that white. When a white male marRies a dark colored female the ofspring will mostly get the mother's complexion as the featus grows in his/her mother's womb.Now this ofspring mostly will be known to have a brown complexion.
So when the white vedic aryans mixed with the dark skinned natives of the indian subcontinent they produced their brown children who would have then married among themselves (not within own family ofcourse)
In India, Brahmins who are known to mostly carry the highest percentage of Y DNA R1a1a are usually Fair in complexion(brown as per whites) though you may find some dark complexened brahmins too mostly when you go to the southern parts of india depending upon how much of admix we are.
Though we all hate Hitler for what he did to the innocent jews during his time but no person is completely bad. Can any one deny the discrimination met by the already impoverished German people after the First world war. How The Ruhr province of the Germans was exploited to benefit the jews and the Allied Power.
Did Hitler not want his German people to be happy and united.Imagine if tommorow China starts exploiting our lands will we appreciate it? Any true Patriot will fight for his motherland.
So is it a Sin when Hitler killed the jews while it is not a Sin when todays jews kill innocent Palestinians(Terrorist Palestinians deserve to die not the innocent ones).
The world history that we read today is biased in favor of the Allied forces and their YesMans like the Congress in india. Why did India choose to educate its people in english even after attaining freedom from the english is quite interesting. Why is it that Nehru got all the praises while Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose who fought against the British and showed the Indians how to fight for your own rights wasn't really so talked about, who could have possibly benefited by conspirating against Netaji and what was the secret behind his disappearance is also to be understood. Why did he have to flee from his beloved motherland even when India became Free?
Congress party to begin with was a British creation of an english gentleman A.O.Hume and to this date it is unknown who decides the policies of the indian government and who controls the fate of us Indians.
I like that picture. It is true.
Aryan people origanally were from Iraq & Iran in mordern day. No such aryan associated to india. Hindu religion was originally from the religion of Babylion & Sumeria people (Currently Iran & Iraq). Therefore, the original ARYAN people are the people from IRAN & not INDIA.
The large scale acceptance of aryan invasion theory is inability of people of sub continent is lack os self realisation and accept whatever done by others since Indian sub continent is having least energy. We have to accept the fact it is only here people accept classes of evolution in which man is having only intellect but did not possess much energy and hence people living in other areas belong to higher classes like devas, danavas, yakshas etc. You should understand why Kashmiri Brahmins the purest form of Indo Aryans never stand upto the atrocities and lament like his counterpart Tamil Brahmin who wa forcibly driven out through sheer campaign? Why is that Dalits in spite of oppression never think about armed struggle? Though separated in DNA I find no difference between these three groups in their behavioural approach. Inspie of difference in mytochondria, the behavioural pattern of people of India is same. Unlike in other parts of world Priestly class has to approach other classes at the latter's will and never allowed to dominate. The invaders baffled and failed since people were indifferent to religion and in cse of need they used priestly class to settle score. The trend even now continues and at present media, political spokespersons are converted as Brahmins who go on talking, talking, talking. I will illustrate with two examples:i)Krishnadeva raya nominated Tenali Rama for debating with a great scholar who was ridiculed by Tenali Rama with a bundle containing rope, sesamum duping the former as a great book 'tilakashta Mahisha Bandhana'. The great pundit ran away. Ii)There is a proverb in hindi Dulaha Dulahin raji tho bachtha Brahmin Kazi. The position of Brahmin is to frighten intellectuals of other cpountries and locally he is a poor kazi. Even now in the villages Brahmins and Dalits are addressed only as gnyathis i.e., having right to claim ancestral properties. The Aryan/dravidian theories are purely intellectual and periphral and linked to economic prosperity. All the people born in the sub continent including Sri Lanka even with different DNA are subject to spirit of the sub continent with reference to same energy level and lose their original DNA may be Indo Aryan, Dravidian or Mangolian etc., but lose their original identity and behaves alike. That is why only in India we find genes clustering but not mutating. You will amazing similarity between Tamil and Hindi films esoteric songs. Mother sentiment, Bhaiya sentiment and upholding clan prestige. You will find only diference in complexion between Madurai and Punjab but theme is same. The theme is people in other parts of world after committing sins take birth in India with their DNA I.E., white, gold, yellow, brown,blue and dark colour and undergoes sufferings like Indian forgetting their original character as a result of loer energy level of sub continent and return their places only after increasing their respective energy levels by their deeds. This is what is known as Resurrection and Regain of Paradise. Until then they have to take birth only in India. A true intellect thus will reject racial theories.
I am a Kashmiri...
from the land of White people..
We are real whites... unlike brown people who cal emselves white..they are colored...
Why do white people want to be Arya? you people don't even have the word in your language, you have never used anything like it to describe yourselves. Even the word Barbarian comes from what Indians called white people. How the hell can you forget what you say you are? You often forget your names/symbols do you? Christians one day, icecreams the next?
How do you suppose that in India, not Iran/Persia, not any country white or otherwise, that the word Arya is maintained for thousands of years til present as a self description? That the Vedas are maintained in a pure form?--all things which Whites claim came from them yet nothing remains with you? You have no concept of Dharma or Rta or any Vedic philosophy--I call bullshit.
Just Like the Germans wanted to forget that the Romans were superior to them in culture, whites want to forget that they are simply militarily dominant, not culturally dominant. And before you sprout modern liberal global culture as western, try and remember only because Indian gurus played a big role in your hippie/sex revolutions which is mixed with a huge dose of African American culture--not white culture.
aryan face has reality not just myth
The Aryan race (white Caucasian) has nothing to do with the asia region except of originating there and forced to move elsewhere. there is a myth locked by secret societies (AOA)and never will seen the light.
earth was first inhabited by black race 4.5 milion years ago. then 3.5 milions years ago another wave the Pelasgians from Pleiades were allowed in the north part from Esperia(us) to Aenus(japan). 9600 years ago it ekzisted the valley of Aegis (mediterean sea) and it disappeared after the sunk of Atlantis due to lithospheric's movements. it was the time that a war was fought in the skies for long time. the reptilians of Draco-Alpha Draconis and Epsilon Bootus&Opheo rebelled against Andromeda's. after the reptilians were booted out theyenter our solar system in grand style destroying two planets, the first between sun and mercury andthe second between mars and jupiter, still we can see "blood tears from the sky" the pieces of the second planet entering our atosphere. its hte begining of the third race and the 7 waves of hrew-mongols towars black and aryans. The first hordes were from the Ickis and Elamites (Ur-it Mongolian)striking the Pelasgians of china is south which they first started to build what is now the chines wall and another wave entered in Perisa establishing the Persian UR. After the pelasgians expelled them from persia they headed toward Egypt under their leader Habra Khan (Abraham) where they took it using trickery/ The second wave of touranian hebre-mongolians strikes Japan where they destroyed completely the white race living there (remember how easy was the axis of 1930 between the mongolian khan of japony and Oto Khan of Bavary ). Third hordes strikes Kazakhstan and Armenia regions thus entering in Europe where they got Sparta thro conspiration and entered in Sicily and later whole peninsula (Rome) ambassadors of Doric Greece were replaced by priests (bible Makabean's). the fourth is the Attila of Huns (ATL or ATLantean) which brought an unseen genocide to pelasgians. they established the races of bulgrians, bavary, saksons. the anatolian pelasgians were also destroyed. the fifth, Urges of Ulan Bator leaded by Jenkins Han-Khan-Kon stroke the region and established Hungarians, Finland, Letonia, Estonia and part of Russia. Sixth, the Seljuk, cooperating with Hebrew-mongolians of the 4th and 5th entered far more in Europe (Albania South) which by that time did not faced the invasion of Mongolian reptilians races. the last was an internal war between Timurid and Seljuk, later Timurids turns to china helped by Manchu.
Countries have been mixed by the core of DNA is intact, races can be tracked but the truth wont ever be discovered. whos in charge is the one who writes it. one day the gods of Pleiades will return to expel the reptilians lying in Saturn and turning our excistence to misery. thats why they fear the armaghedon its their end.
sry for bad typo , light is turned off :) and tis is no sci-fi (Hesiod - Taegonia)
little corrections
1. i might not be correct that aryans were of pelasgians root or invadors from the 7 hordes. its 4 am dont rem quite well.
2 towards black and "aryans" (black and white)
I rather live with my own race than any other , that is not racist that it is an option and every race should have one, I respect every race and i blesss them , but do not messs with my race . White race only Aryan race is the race i can trust on on, Germans Aryan are my race I am Albanian and proud to be to Aryan Race bless me Natures
aryan face has reality not just myth
i m with u baby
You all may/may noy be right,
BUT do you know, GOD is ONE..??
actually the darker people of india carry higher frequencies of the H,F and J halotype
some of u people are ignorant! how many of you knew the parthians ruled all of southern India? google it the parthian colony of india
http://www.jstor.org/pss/412012
Abstract
It is demonstrated here that the Dravidian family of languages in South Asia is cognate with Elamite, an ancient language of West Asia. This demonstration is based on 57 Elamite words (mostly verb stems) paired with corresponding Dravidian terms. The correspondences are, on the whole, straightforward and interlocking. A beginning is made in reconstructing the phonology of Proto-Elamo-Dravidian.
Haplogroup J2a-M410 in India was found to be largely confined to the castes[20] with no occurrence in the tribals, but a new study has found it at higher percentages (10%) among the Tharu indigenous people of Terai, Nepal.[31] In India, the J2 haplogroup is almost absent from tribals. Haplogroup J2b is associated with the Neolithic Greeks that spread agriculture. It has been found in the Dravidian middle classes in high frequencies)) also in the Northwest of India.The frequency of (J2 is higher in South Indian castes (19%) than in North Indian castes (11%) or Pakistan (12%).[20] Haplogroup J was found to be even more common in India's Shia Muslim community, of which 28.7% belong to haplogroup J, with 13.7% in J2a-M410, 10.6% in J1 and 4.4% in J2b.[32] The high variance of J2b2 in South Asia indicates a probable pre-Neolithic migration.(wikipedia)
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J2
Main article: Haplogroup J2 (Y-DNA)
Haplogroup J2 It is composed of several sub-Haplogroups representing several different countries like Turkey, Iraq, Kurdistan, Lebanon, Syria, Armenia, Georgia, Aegean, Balkan, Italy. One sub Haplogroup M172* is mainly found in the Northern Fertile Crescent, the Mediterranean, Iran, Central Asia, and Southern Europe. Is is though to have originated in Anatolia (Turkey and Kurdstan) ie North Mesopotamia, and spread to Europe and to other Middle countries like Lebanon Palestine Iraq, Syria. J2 subclades is found also in Armenia, Azerbaijan), Iran, Central Asia, and South Asia: for example, Muslim Kurds (28.4%), Central Turks (27.9%), Georgians (26.7%), Iraqis (25.2%), Lebanese (25%), Ashkenazi Jews (23.2%), Sephardi Jews (28.6%), Iranians (23.3%), Tajiks (18.4%), and Pakistanis (14.7%). J2 is not regularly found in Semitic-speaking populations of Africa, such as the Amhara and Tigrinya in Ethiopia (Semino et al. 2004). However, J2 has been found to encompass several subhaplogroups (22 subhaplogroups, including 5 that have high frequencies) that originated or expanded in different regions: Italy, the Balkans, the Aegean, Anatolia (Turkey and Kurds), the Caucasus (Georgia), and Somalia (see ref: Semino et al. 2004). Haplogroup J2 was used to be considered a genetic marker of Anatolian Neolithic agriculturalists. It is also very frequent in the Balkans (Greeks 20.6%, Albanians 19.6%) and in southern Italy (16.7-29.1%). Its frequency rapidly drops in the Carpathian basin (Croatians 6.2%, Hungarians 2.0%, Ukrainians 7.3%) and in Southeastern Iranian-speaking areas (Pashtuns 5.2%, Pamiris 6.1%). A significant presence of J2 (J2b2+J2a) was detected in western and south-western India (the highest being 21% among Dravidian middle castes, followed by upper castes, 18.6%, and lower castes 14%; Sengupta et al. 2006).http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haplogroup_J_%28
The Mediterranean Peoples (Dravidians)
(Extracts from ‘The Original Indians â€" An Enquiry’ by Dr. A. Desai)
How the Mediterranean people came to be called Dravidians makes interesting story. The Pre-Hellenistic Lycians of Asi Minor, who where probably the Mediterranean stock called themselves Trimmili. Another tribe of this branch in the island of Crete was known by the name Dr(a)mil or Dr(a)miz. In ancient Sanskrit writings we find the terms Dramili and Dravidi, and then Dravida which referred to the southern portion of India.
South India was known to the ancient Greek and Roman geographers as Damirica or Limurike. Periplus Maris Erithroei (Periplus of the Eritrean Sea) in the second or third century AD described the maritime route followed by Greek ships sailing to the South Indian ports: “Then follow Naoura and Tundis, the first marts of Limurike and after these Mouziris and Nelkunda, the seats of government.â€
Dramila, Dravida and Damirica indicated the territory. Then it was applied to the people living in the territory and the language they spoke, in the local parlance Tamil and Tamil Nadu or Tamilakam.
info below is from wikipedia! daravians are L
L was found in( 51% of Syrians from Al-Raqqah), a northern Syrian city in which its previous inhabitants have been wiped out by the Mongols by and repopulated in recent times by localBedouin populations and Chechen war refugees.[4] In a small sample of Israeli Druze haplogroup L was found in 7 out of 20 (35%). However, studies done on bigger samples showed that L-M20 averages 5% in Israeli Druze,[5] 8% in Lebanese Druze,[6] and it was not found in a sample of 59Syrian Druze. Haplogroup L has been found in 2.0% (1/50)[7] to 5.25% (48/914)[8] of Lebanese. wikipedia
L y dna
Syria 51.0% (33/65) of Syrians in Al-Raqqah,( 31.0% of Eastern Syrians) Mirvat El-Sibai et al. 2009[4] Iran 3.4% L1-M76 (4/117) and 2.6% L2-M317 (3/117)
for a total of 6.0% (7/117) haplogroup L in southern Iran
3.0% (1/33) L3-M357 in northern Iran Regueiro et al. 2006(( Turkey 57% in Afshar village,)) 12% (10/83) in Black Sea Region, 4.2% (1/523 L-M349 and 21/523 L-M11(xM27, M349)) Cinnio?lu et al. 2004, Gokcumen (2008)
The subclades of Haplogroup L with their defining mutation(s), according to the 2011 ISOGG tree:
L (M11, M20, M22, M61/Page43, M185)
L* Found only in Europe from Ireland to Eastern Europe[26]
L1 (M295) Found from Western Europe to South Asia [27]
L1*
L1a (M27, M76, P329) Found frequently in Indians, Sri Lankans, andBalochs, with a moderate distribution in other populations of Pakistan, southern Iran, and Arabia but also in European populations
L1b (M317) Found at low frequency in Central Asia, Southwest Asia, and Central Europe
L1b*
L1b1 (M349) Principally found in Europe
L1b2 (M274)
L1c (M357) Found frequently among Burushos, Kalashas, Chechensand Pashtuns, with a moderate distribution among other populations inPakistan, Georgia, northern Iran, India, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia
L1c*
L1c1 (PK3) Found frequently among Kalash
Mari (modern Tell Hariri, Syria) was an ancient( Sumerian and Amorite city), located 11 kilometers north-west of the modern town of Abu Kamal on the western bank of Euphrates river, some 120 km southeast of Deir ez-Zor, Syria. It is thought to have been inhabited since the 5th millennium BC, although it flourished with series of superimposed palaces that spans a thousand years, from 2900 BC until 1759 BC, when it was sacked by Hammurabi.[1]
Abu Kamal (Arabic: ??? ?????, Turkish: Ebu Kemal or K??la) is a city in eastern Syria on theEuphrates River near the border with Iraq. The Euphrates divides Abu Kamal into two areas: Shamiyya (belonging to the Levant) and Jazira (belonging to Mesopotamia) Al-Jazira, a plains region consisting of northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq, quite distinct from the Syrian Desertand lower-lying central Mesopotamia. Abu Kamal is an economically prosperous farming region with cattle-breeding, cereals, and cotton crops. It is also home to the historical site Dura-Europos and the ancient kingdom of Mari.
THE GREEK AND ROMAN CONTACTS WITH ANCIENT TAMIL COUNTRY
The Sangam Age in Tamil country is significant and unique for its social, economic, religious and cultural life of the Tamils. There was an all round development during this period. The Sangam literatures as well as the archaeological findings reveal these developments
From the very early times, Tamil country had carried on an extensive trade with foreign countries. The Greeks and Romans had commercial contacts with the Tamil country from about the Third century B.C. These trade relations had lasted throughout the Sangam period. We have plenty of sources to study the maritime activities during the Sangam Age.
Literary Sources
The Sangam literature refers to the Greeks and Romans as Yavanas. The Sangam poems describe the trading activities of Greek and Roman merchants in the Tamil country. They mention the important seaports and also about the exports and imports.
Similarly, the Greek and Roman writers of that period mention the details of the commercial contacts between their countries and South India. Particularly, the writers like Pliny, Ptolemy. Plutarch and the author of the Periplus had described the condition of trade in the First and Second centuries A.D.
Archaeological Sources
The archaeological evidences have further supplemented literary sources relating to the foreign trade, The Arikkamedu excavations remain as the important evidence for die Greek and Roman trade in the Tamil country. The place Arikkamedu, near Pondicherry had remained an important centre of trade for Greets and Romans, The Greek writers had referred to this place as Poduke, There was a great Roman Factory at Arikkamedu. Many articles such as coins, porcelain, jars and tubs for the purpose of dyeing clothes have also been found there. Further, Roman coins, pottery and other articles have been found in other parts of Tamil Nadu. Excavations have also been conducted at Puhar, Kanchipuram, Alagankulam, Madurai, Kodumanal and other places. Greek and Roman coins and other articles have been found in these places confirming the foreign trade during the Sangam Age.
Coins
Plenty of Roman coins have been found all over Tamil Nadu, particularly in the coastal areas. From these coins we come to know that the Roman emperors like Augustus Caesar, Tiberius and Nero had issued them. Since they lived in the First and Second centuries A.D., it may be said that the Sangam Tamils had trade relations with the Roman Empire.
Greeks
The Greeks were the first to enter into trade contacts with the Tamil region in about Third century B.C. The Greeks had adopted and mentioned several Tamil names for the commodities that were available in the Tamil country. For example, they had adopted the Tamil word Ansi (rice) and mentioned it as Oriza in the Greek language. The Greeks had paid much attention on the West coast. The seaport Musiri had remained their important trading centre. The Greeks provided an important link between Tamil country and the West, via Egypt.
Romans
After the Greeks, the Romans began to arrive in the Tamil country. The Pandyan kingdom was the first to get the benefit of the Roman trade. The Romans had employed the Tarn ii merchants to buy and sell goods in the local market. They had also served in the Pandyan army. In the First and Second centuries A,D,, both the Greeks and Romans expanded their trade in the Tamil country. After that period, there was a gradual decline in the overseas trade. The confusion in the Roman Empire and the collapse of the Sangam age in the Third century A.D. put an end to the Greek and Roman contacts with the Tamil country.
Exports and Imports
The Tamil country exported a variety of goods to Greece and Rome during the Sangam Age. The most important of them were spices like pepper, cardamom, cloves and ginger. The other items of export include sandal paste, flowers, scents, aromatic wood like Ahil, ivory, pearls, corals, medicinal plants, banana and rice. There was also a great demand in the west for the cotton clothes manufactured in the Tamil country. The Sangam literature reveals that fine varieties of clothes had been exported to the West. Further, varieties of beads, diamonds, sapphire, topaz, emerald, tortoise shells were bought by the Romans, The pearls of the Pandyan kingdom and the cotton clothes of Uraiyur had been largely exported.
The imports into the Tamil country had almost remained less than its exports. The imported goods include sweet wine, gold coins and ornaments, glass, copper and other articles. The horses for the Pandyan and other kingdoms of South India were brought in ships from foreign countries.
Sea-ports
The development of overseas trade was made easy by the seaports situated on the coasts of the Tamil country. There were several seaports in the Tamil country during the Sangam period. The most important seaports on the eastern coast were Mamallapuram, Poduke, Puhar Poraiyaru, Korkai and Kumari. The Sangam literature, Pattinappalai provides the details of the Puhar harbour and its activities. The port-town Korkai had remained famous for its pearls. It was the primary port of the Pandyan kingdom. On the West coast, Musiri and Thondi were the two important seaports. Warehouses for storing the goods were built along the coasts. The chief ports had their lighthouses, which were called in the Tamil literature as Kalangarai Ilangu Sudar. Facilities were also made in the seaports for repairing the ships. The arrival and stay of foreign merchants in port towns were common during the Sangam period. People from various countries had also lived in port towns and this paved the way for the development of cosmopolitan civic system in these towns.
Thus, throughout the Sangam period, the Tamil country had maintained commercial and other contacts with Greece and Rome.
Medieval Period (600–1300)
Main article: History of Tamil Nadu
Tiruchirapalli Rockfort
The Cholas who were very active during the Sangam age were entirely absent during the first few centuries.[18] The period started with the rivalry between the Pandyas and the Pallavas, which in turn caused the revival of the Cholas. The Cholas went on to becoming a great power. Their decline saw the brief resurgence of the Pandyas. This period was also that of the re-invigorated Hinduism during which temple building and religious literature were at their best.[19] The Cheras ruled in southern India from before the Sangam era (300 BCE – 250 CE) over the Coimbatore, Karur, Salem Districts in present day Tamil Nadu and present day Kerala from the capital of Vanchi Muthur in the west, (thought to be modern Karur). They traded extensively from nearby Muziris, in spices, ivory, timber, pearls and gems, with the ancient kingdoms of Egypt, Rome, Greece, Ceylon, Phoenicia, Arabia, Mesopotamia and Persia.[20] The Kalabhras, invaded and displaced the three Tamil kingdoms and ruled between the third and the seventh centuries CE of the Sangam period. This is referred to as the Dark Age in Tamil history. They were expelled by the Pallavas and the Pandyas in sixth century.
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/ashkanian/pa parthians ruled southern india
Elamo-Harappan origins for Haplogroup J2 in India?
The presence of Haplogroup J2 in India, including the subclades M410 and M241 has been an often overlooked clue to the origins of M172. Sengupta et al, in 2005 worked to explain the presence of M172 in India. Their paper provides an immediate acknowledgement of the proposed spread of proto-Elamo-Dravidian speaking peoples into India originating from the Indus Valley and southwest Persia. The idea that M172 may have been carried into India with proto-Elamo-Dravidian groups is supported by the frequencies of Haplogroup J in one of the only remaining Dravidian Speaking ethnic groups in the Iranian Plateau, the Brahui. 28% of the Brahui, an ethnic Dravidian speaking group from Western Pakistan were found to carry the mutation defining Haplogroup J. Overall Haplogroup J2 in India represented 9.1% of this very populous nation. In Pakistan, M172 accounted for 11.9% of the Y-Chromosomes typed. Sengupta's paper broke down the frequencies of Haplogroup J2 into various caste and language groups. J2 was found to be significantly higher among Dravidian castes at 19% than among Indo-European castes at 11%. J2a-M410 in particular may be a strong candidate for a proposed migration of proto-Dravidian peoples from the Iranian Plateau or the Indus Valley since J2a M410 is a very high component of the haplogroup J2 chromosomes found in Pakistan. Over 71% of the M172 found in Pakistan was M410+.
Another interesting characteristic in the distribution of(( M172 and more specifically, M410, in India was its higher frequencies in Upper Caste Dravidians.))) M410+ chromosomes were found in 13% of Upper Caste Dravidians.)) Sengupta goes on to suggest an Indian origin of Dravidian speakers but from a Y chromosome perspective, the paper seems to acknowledge M172 arriving in India from Middle Eastern and Indus Valley Civilizations.==========================================
http://www.imagesofasia.com/html/pakistan/brahui-c brahui chief
From: ellen Levy
Subject: Dravidians & Indo-Iranians: J and R1a1
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Since there were recent postings about (Dravidians) and
some confusion about the "natives of India" (not
really sure what this means anyway), I thought I'd
post the following: there is a connection between
Y-chromosome haplogroup J and Western Eurasian MtDNA
(groups H,I,J,T,X,U1-4, U5)with the spread of the
Dravidian language. The Dravidian language is only
spoken today in parts of India and Sri Lanka.
Researchers have traced the origins of Y-chromosome
Haplogroup J to the southeastern Caspian region and
Zagros Mountains (see the study: "Y-chromosome
Lineages Trace Diffusion of People & Languages in
Southwestern Asia," by Lluis Quintana-Murci, et al).
From there, is spread over the Iranian Plateau, and
with decreasing frequency, finally settled in India.
Another group of J went West, settling in Europe and
bringing the farming way of life with them.
The researchers found that the dispersal of this
haplogroup towards the Indus Valley is also associated
with the dispersal of the Dravidian languages.
Interestingly, in the study: "Deep Common Ancestry of
Indian and Western-Eurasian Mitochondrial DNA
Lineages," T. Kivisild, et al, the researchers also
found that the traditional Western Eurasian lineages
(found in ony 5.2% of Indians) and their general
spread all over India was "consistent with the arrival
to India of cereals domesticated in the Fertile
Crescent."
The studies then go one to note the apparent
distributions of Rla1, with it's very high frequencies
in Central Asia & Russia, low frequencies in the
Middle East, marked differences in East/West
distribution in Iran, and decreasing-frequency cline
towards India, supports the idea that Indo-European
speaking Rla1 populations later spread from Central
Asia into modern Iran and India (probably from Iran
into India, thus, the invaders were known as
"Indo-Iranians"). In fact, Rla1 is found all through
India, indicating this haplogroup spread over a vast
area. In Iran, their Indo-European language replaced
Dravidian (or Elamite as it is was known in Iran), and
it replaced many of the Dravidian tongues in India as
well.
So it appears that Rla, which is found in about 12% of
Turks, Kurds and Syrians, did migrate in two different
directions - one migration apparently took this group
into Europe, particularly Russia, Eastern Europe &
Scandinavia, while a second migration route took them
into parts of the Caucasus & Middle East. I assume
the domestication of the horse made these large scale
migrations possible.
This pattern of haplogroup migrations and associated
linguistic connections is supported by the findings of
the Brahui people, who reside in central Baluchistan.
They are one of the few populations outside India and
Sri Lanka that continue to speak a Dravidian-derived
language. The Brahui(dravidians) have a very high percentage
(55%) of western Eurasian MtDNAs, closely matching
populations in Iran and Anatolia. It is believed the
Brahui are the northern survivors of a once vast and
ancient Dravidian-speaking region that was later
displaced by the Indo-European migrations.
Ellen Coffman
http://media.torontolife.com/dynimages/features/ta this is tamil(dravidian)
Trade and cultural links between ancient India and Arabia date back to third millennium BC.[1] By 1000 AD, the trade relations between ((southern India and Arabia ))flourished and became the backbone of the Arabian economy.[2] Arab traders held a monopoly over the spice trade between India and Europe until the rise of European imperialist empires.[3] India was one of the first nations to establish ties with the Third Saudi State. During the 1930s, India heavily funded Nejd through financial subsidies.[wikipedia
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1015089867 southern arabian
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qbpk0Ym5wU0/Sa7NItvOMzI/ arab of oman(king qaboos
http://britam.org/pic2/veddoid.jpg southern arabian what they mean by veddoid? labelling sickness
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6194/maharamank
southern arabian
http://www.socotraislandadventure.com/images/DSC_1 arabian
http://i46.tinypic.com/20pxcly.jpg arabs of jordan
http://www.joshuaproject.net/profiles/photos/p1224 iraqi arab
http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/TME2145.php arab of oman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csHB4cP-kXw&feature
muslims of southern india many have arabian heritage
also how many of you knew three companions of the Prophet PBH are buried in southern india Tameem al ansari.Ukkasha and Mughira ibn Shu ba. also the companion of the saint Hasan al basri RA was in southern india
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdwK-lDRRh8&feature
arab of gulf singing southern indian song this is kerala
Nomadic Arabs and ancient Phoenicians are said to be among the first to come to Kerala for spice trade. The Arabs gained control of the lucrative trade by 600 B.C. They transported pepper, cinnamon, incense, and oils from the East through the Persian Gulf to Arabia. Southern Arabia became the great spice emporium of the ancient world.
“Phoenicians” better known for their trading abilities were the pioneer in the sea trade with Kerala. In 100BC King Solomon's ships visited 'Ophix' (the modern Puvar, South of Thiruvanathapuram) to trade indifferent kind of items like ivory, apes, sandalwood and peacocks.
THEKKEPURAM -southern india
Since ancient period, Kerala has been a gateway, a place where many cultures and ideas arrived and flourished.((( Active trade existed between Arabia and Kerala and the Muslims dominated the trade.))))))))))))) The kings of Kerala welcomed people to stay and granted them economic and religious security.((((((((( Traders from Baghdad, Yemen and Bahrain had settled in many ports of Kerala and traded in spices and wood.)))))))))))))) By the end of the Seventh century, Islam reached the shores of Kerala through its traders. Christianity and Judaism had reached the place before Islam and enjoyed peaceful co-existence. For long, different religions spread in a non-aggressive manner. Local communities, both the lower and upper castes, took to the new ideas and converted to the new religion for various reasons.
People
Decades or Centuries back, the beach front of Thekkepuram area was busy with carts and Lorries and there were hundreds of Arab sailors walking up and down. The Arab boats arrived as soon as the monsoon was over, in October, and the last left the following May, before the rain started. Some of the boats were owned by Kozhikode businessmen, but the majority belonged to Arab traders. You could see the boat owners sitting on the verandas outside the Pandikashalas (offices) of the exporters. Some of these Arabs came to Kozhikode for the whole trading season, others had settled here. They married and had families, children. Arab sailors ate and slept in the godowns (warehouses). They were away from home for a long time and they also took 'wives' here. Some of these are big traders from Kuwait, Baghdad Oman, Bahrain, Egypt and Yemen. The last Arab boat came here in 1975. Currently Thekkepurates are known for their trading and have a near monopoly in the big bazaar of Calicut. More than 20% of the Thekkepuram population is working abroad (mainly in the Middle-East) and this brings foreign currency into the state. Most of the inhabitants in Thekkepuram are Muslims.
Traditionally(( Yemeni Hadhrami people, as well as Omanis,( came to Beypore, Kerala, India)) along the centuries in order to build Dhows. The reasons were the availability of good timber in the forests of Kerala, the availability of good coir rope and also the presence of skilled carpenters specialized in ship building. Formerly the sheathing planks of a dhow's hull were held together by coconut rope instead of nails. Beypore Dhows are known as 'Uru' in Malayalam, the local language of Kerala. ((((((Settlers from Yemen, later known as 'Baramis', are still active in Uru business in Kerala.))))))))))))[ wikipedia beypore is southern india :)
As early as 80 BC, Alexandria became the dominant trading center for Indian spices entering the Greco-Roman world.[3] Indian ships sailed to Egypt. The thriving maritime routes of Southern Asia were not under the control of a single power,[9] but through various systems eastern spices were brought to the major spice trading ports of India such as Barbaricum, Barygaza,((((( Muziris, Korkai, Kaveripattinam, and Arikamedu. southern india))))))))))))))) info from wikipedia
Ancient Chera kingdom (Kerala) enjoyed a flourishing spice trade with the Arabs of coastal Yemen and Oman. By the early Christian period south India was transformed into a commercial hub linked to the West and the East through emporiums located along the coastal and inland routes. Arab traders left their shores in July, at the height of the southwestern monsoon season to the heart of the pepper country, and returned, carrying their precious cargo of many spices, with the northwest monsoons in November.
Even during the height of Roman trade, old Arab channels of trade continued to flourish thanks to the age-old alliances and agreements between the original Arab and Indian traders. Cinnamon, the spice that made fortunes for the Arab traders in earlier times, still remained an Arab monopoly. The Romans could find it only at Arab ports; the source of cinnamon in India was scrupulously guarded from them. Throughout the Kerala Coast the Romans were offered only malabathrum, the leaves of the same tree that produced the fragrant bark. Such was the loyalty between the ancient traders of the Indian Ocean.
Trading contacts with the kingdoms of Southern Arabia resulted in the formation of the earliest Muslim communities of Kerala. When foreign traders arrived at the port of Muziris, near the capital of Chera kingdom, the reigning kings treated them with respect, and extended facilities for their settlement, and establishment of their faith in the land.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/ancient-keral more info
http://www.flickr.com/photos/riyastali33/294914973 muslim of kerala and a sayyid lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ullUcld5psA this is tamil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzulBHZY1Q&feature tamil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Z57y99u88 tamil
by the way we are not from southern india our family spoke hindi and urdu
The Lud bin Shem was born Tasm and Judays?who dwelt in al Yamaamah.Lud also begot 'Imliq whose dwelling place was the holy area(al haram) and the outskirts of Makka. Some of his descendant's reached Syria among these are the Amalekites from whom the Pharaohs of Egypt came. To Lud to was born Umaym who had many offspring some of these broke away to join Gomer bin Japheth in East. from prophets and patriarchs
from prophets and patriarchs
'Imliq is the father of the Amalekites from whom came the berbers,who are children of Thamila bin Maarib bin Faaraan bin 'Amr bin 'Imliq bin Lud bin Sam(Shem) bin Nuh (Noah)PBH
Within Haplogroup F, besides the major sub-clades of G, H and IJK, other patrilines can still be detected at a very low frequency among many populations of the southern fringe of Eurasia and Oceania. Haplogroup F-M89 is a “default” haplogroup potentially comprising several lineages.[6] Originally it was believed[by whom?][citation needed] all M89+ men would be found to belong to F descendant haplogroups G-T, but an increasing number of men have continued to test positive only for the mutation that defines F.[7] The F* haplogroup is paraphyletic and rare in most regions.
In India it is distributed similarly to H.[8] India has a frequency of 12.5%, being the most frequent haplogroup in tribal groups after Haplogroup H. Among tribal groups it is at 18.1%, and among caste groups it is at 9.6%,[6], it is important in panchamas and sudras.[9] So it is important in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh,[3] in Koya tribes is at 27% and in Sinhalese people 10%.[4]
It is found in two north Portuguese populations (0.5%) and this may have occurred as a result of admixture since Portugal has significant contacts with India for about 500 years
South Asia
Haplogroup H is fairly common among populations of India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Pakistan. But the highest frequencies of H-M69 are in India, especially among Dravidians (33%).[5] In Koya speakers (Dravidian tribes) has been found in 71%.[6]
In India, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 27.2% (110/405) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition from southern India.[7][8] Another study has found haplogroup H-M69 in 26.4% (192/728) of an ethnically diverse pool of samples from various regions of India.[3]
In Sri Lanka, Haplogroup H-M69 has been found in 25.3% (23/91) of a sample of unspecified ethnic composition[7][8] and in 10.3% (4/39) of a sample of Sinhalese.[6]
In Nepal, one study has found Haplogroup H in approximately 12% of a sample of males from the general population of Kathmandu (including 4/77 H1a-M82, 4/77 H1*-M52(xH1a-M82), and 1/77 H*-M69(xH1-M52, H2-Apt)) and in 6% of a sample of Newars (4/66 H1a-M82).[9]
In Pakistan, Haplogroup H1-M52 has been found in 4.1% Burusho, 20.5% Kalash, 4.2% Pashtun, and 2.5% other Pakistanis.[10] Another study has found haplogroup H in approximately 8% (3/38) of a sample of Burusho (also known as Hunza), including 5% (2/38) H1a*-M82(xH1a1-M36, H1a2-M97, H1a3-M39/M138) and 3% (1/38) H1a1-M36.[11]
Romani people
Haplogroup H1a-M82 is a major lineage cluster in the Balkan Romani group, accounting for approximately 60% of the total.[12] A 2-bp deletion at M82 locus defining this haplogroup was also reported in one-third of males from traditional Romani populations living in Bulgaria, Spain, and Lithuania (Gresham et al. 2001). High prevalence of Asian-specific Y chromosome haplogroup H1 supports their Indian origin and a hypothesis of a small number of founders diverging from a single ethnic group in India (Gresham et al. 2001). wikipedia
A persistant myth yes; but the existing genetic data is contradictory to the oral history. Most probably Shahnaz Ali's data well agree with this existing data. As per the existing DNA data about 10% of the Pashtuns as a whole (not just Afridi tribe) are of the Haplogroup G2c1 that is a Jewish Haplogroup. But the spliting of this Haplogroup from the main Haplogroup has occured at 450 BCE that is at the time of the Babylonial exile rather than at the time of the Assyrian exile about 730 BCE when the 10 tribes were lost. Therefore, based on this fact and some oral traditions point to a Jewish descendancy from the Tribe of Benjamin and not the lost tribes.
dr_sen 4 years ago
this is rubbish and contradictory to theosophical principles of madame blavatsky
she had maintained a lot about lemurians and the theory of gnosis wisdom.
please refer my hub