When will Jesus and the Antichrist supposedly return?

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By thecounterpunch

From What the 66% Who Believe Jesus Will Return in 2007 Don’t Know But Should

1. According to Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 61:1-2, and Luke 4:16-22 Jesus must return in a Sabbath year. Only one out of every seven years is a Sabbath year and 2007 is for sure not one of them according to the historical sabbath year cycle followed by Ancient Israel. While the Rabbis of Judaism say that 2007-2008 is a Sabbath year, that conclusion is based on the Talmud, not on the consensus of Scripture and the best historical evidence. Christians assume that the Jews are accurate on such things such as the Biblical calendar, but they have diverged much from the Old Testament. For example, they celebrate Pentecost/Shavuot on a fixed date (Sivan 6) instead of a floating date arrived at by counting 50 days from the sabbath during Passover week, as Scripture has it falling sometime between Sivan 6 and 12 and always on a Sunday (Lev 23:15-16). They have the year starting in the Fall/6th Biblical month of Tishrei instead of the Spring/1st month as the Bible has it (Ex 12:2). They teach that the Jubilee comes every 50th year instead of every 49th year according to Scripture (which is the 50th year using inclusive reckoning from year one of the start of the seven sabbath cycles you are to count). Thus, it's not a stretch to claim that their Sabbath year reckoning is wrong, too.

2. Also according to Daniel 9:27 and Matthew 24:15, Jesus must return after a 3½ year Great Tribulation that starts with the standing up of the abomination of desolation statue and the stopping of daily animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount. There are no sacrifices even started to be stopped, nor a temple even under construction yet.

3. The Antichrist must rule over the world for 42 months according to Revelation 13, and forcing everyone to take a mark in their right hand or forehead. The Antichrist has not even appeared on the scene and begun to grab power.

4. Perhaps most clearly of all, we have not seen the events of the sixth seal happen yet. The sixth seal occurs in Revelation 6, some 13 chapters before Jesus returns in Revelation 19. If you read Revelation 6:12-17 carefully you'll see that it depicts a global cataclysm on earth that literally sends the entire population panicking and running for cover in response to the literal events. Most people ignore this prophecy because they simply cannot make sense of it literally with everything else they have been taught. That leads to the typical practice of Bible prophecy interpretation today, not accepting the plain words for what they say and taking poetic license with them.

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Marye Audet Level 2 Commenter 4 years ago

Then they need to read their Bibles. The bible clearly says that no man knows the day or time and even Jesus Himself did not know when it was going to happen exactly.

Which guarantees that it WON'T happen when people say it will!

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thecounterpunch Hub Author 4 years ago

The guy quoted the Bible. The Bible doesn't exactly when, but as far as it gives some signs, the most famous one being the "Mark of the Beast" to buy and sell everything.

But I don't care much about the Bible as I'm not a Christian it's just to relate to the REAL world :)

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Theoferrum 4 years ago

Shalom,

My name is David and I had also determined that Y'shua must return in a Sabbatical year because it would also be the start of a Jubilee Year per my understanding of the Book of Revelation.

As far as the year - you may  be statistically interested in the Chronologies that I have established - over 21 in all - that show that the tribulation will begin circa 2032-33 AD.

Sincerely,

David T. Hill

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Holy 3 years ago

It's hard to say, the Antichrist or Jesus could already be among us.. Both of which will be reincarnated into a human child.. It's impossible for Jesus to come back as a man, or angel.. He will live life as a child, before finding what he truely is.. And judging mankind, and returning to heaven.. As for the Antichrist, there are many who could believe that Geroge Bush is the Antichrist.. because he is a high political figure, and he caused death and destruction with his motives and actions.

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dlarson 3 years ago

If the Antichrist is just a person, then why does Paul say that "he is already among us"? Look at all the attributes of the antichrist and you can only conclude one thing. it is here and has been for over a thousand years. The Reformers knew it and they singled it out also. It is a system or worship and control - control of banks, governments, and ultimately religion. Revelation calls it Babylon and it is controlled by one man...

Read it and judge for yourself who is the antichrist.

Maya108 3 years ago

The antichrist is already here - as foretold, a beautiful 'angel', fooling everyone, rising from the world of religion & politics and mixing the two for his own power & benefit. His aim is to rid the world of pure spiritual life. The beast is H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama.

This is not a joke. Horrific things are already happening by his rule. Though starting on a small scale, his influence will eventually create upheaval in Europe, USA and most of all China. He is the foretold Antichrist of the Bible, the Devaputra Mara of Buddhism, the Asura of the Vedas. Investigate here:

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200006/0

www.westernshugdensociety.org

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1726/17260840.ht

allen 3 years ago

The Bloodline of the Rockefeller Dynasty in america is the bloodline of the antichrist!! that is the truth, that is how it is!

GS0871 3 years ago

I believe that Jesus already return.  There are several reasons why I believe this...

In Matthew 24 Jesus is questioned by His disciples about when the end of the world (Age) would be and His second coming.  Jesus gave them a list of signs to look for then He says that they will see Him coming in the clouds of heaven to gather His elect.  He doesn't tell them the day or the hour but He does tell them the generation that all these things will be fulfilled in...

Matt 24:34   (KJV)34

Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you read through the books of the apostles you will find that all the signs that Jesus told them to look-out for were all fulfilled.  For example, one of the signs that Jesus tells His disciples to look for is that the gospel will be preached throughout the whole world (Matt 24:14)  This was fulfilled...

Romans 1:8   (KJV)

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 10:18   (KJV)

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Colossians 1:23   (KJV)

If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

There is not enough room here cite all of the fulfilled signs but the Symbolic Bible website has them all listed there.

Here are a few other reasons why I believe Jesus already returned for His Saints (Elect)...

If you look at the first verse in the book of Revelation you will find that John was about to be show things that must SHORTLY come to pass

Revelation 1   (KJV)

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Then at the end of the book of Revelation John is told that Jesus will come QUICKLY and that he should not seal up the words in the book because the time is

AT HAND.

Revelation 22:10   (KJV)

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Now if you look at the book of Daniel, you will see that Daniel is also given a vision of the end (this happened many, many years before John has his vision) but Daniel was not told to spread the word.  Instead Daniel was told to shut up the words and seal them because it wouldn't be for MANY days.  He is also told that he would die before the end came.

Daniel 12:4   (KJV)

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:13   (KJV)

But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Moreover most of the apostles were taught by Jesus Himself and they knew that He would return within their generation...

Hebrews 1:2   (KJV)

Hath in THESE last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 John 2:18   (KJV)

Little children, IT IS the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that IT IS the last time.

So my thought is... If Jesus Himself said that it would happen within the generation of His disciples, all the signs that He gave them to look for were fulfilled, the apostles knew it and the book of Revelation backs it up...  Then I believe it. 

The bible doesn't lie but 2000 years of altered history books and doctored history papers may not be very reliable in the end.

Now, I must say that I do not believe that we are now living in heaven on earth.  The bible clearly says that after the saints (His elect) are (were) taken at Christ's second coming, Satan would then be bound for 1000 years and then be released to go about deceiving the world (this is where I believe we are now in time).  After Satan deceives the world, Jesus will return with the saints and the bible says that the saints will judge the world (us).  Then all who are found to be worthy will enter through the gates into His Holy City.

Revelation 20:1-3   (KJV)

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7-8   (KJV)

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 21:2  (KJV)

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

1 Corinthians 6:2  (KJV)Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Revelation 22:14  (KJV)

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

It is so important to look at the original languages that the bible was written in, in order to put the bible into it's intended context.  For example the word "World" is used to translate several different words from the original Greek into English.  Some of these words have totally different meanings. See the following example...

Luke 2:1 (KJV)

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the WORLD should be taxed.

We know that Caesar did not tax everyone on the entire globe but rather the tax was for everyone in the region.  The use of the word "world" in this instance was a mistranslation. If you are looking for more information about this issue and are open to a new point of view that is based ONLY on scripture the Symbolic Bible website has a wealth of information for you.

GS1971

www.symbolicbible.com

jack 3 years ago

2015-2016 is a sabbatical year, so the rapture should occur between now and september of this year (2009). Also, Ezeikel 38 & 39 is very close to happening; there's heavy talk of a one world government and there are antichrist candidates such as, Sarkosy who is a greek jew, which is making peace in the mideast by setting up the Mediterrean Union.

WWJD 3 years ago

Good luck trying to predict His return, because He says in the Bible that no one will know the day or the hour. The Bible also says that His return will not be hidden from anyone, it will be exravagant so that everyone knows. I honestly can't wait until that day comes. There are no words to describe what it will be like. It hasn't happened yet, but just keep waiting. God bless you guys!

GS0871 2 years ago

I still have to go with the words spoken by Jesus himself on this one. . .

Matt 24:34 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. . . If Jesus told His disciples that He would return within their generation to gather His elect, then I believe Him.

John 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? . . . If Jesus said that John would not die before He returned (His second coming), then I believe Him.

Again...

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must SHORTLY come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. . .

If Jesus revealed to John that His coming would be soon at the time that John had his visions, then I believe that He did indeed come quickly.

The bible says that after the saints were taken, Satan (after being bound 1000 years) would go about deceiving the nations...

Rev 20:7-8 Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So there you have Jesus' own words, but still people choose to believe otherwise. Even though thousands of years have past since that time, more than enough time for the burning and changing of important historical records. The only historical record that can be trusted 100% is the Word Of God. The bible.

I believe that Jesus will return once again for the FINAL time, with the saints, in His kingdom. At that time All who are found worthy will be allowed to enter into His kingdom.

Revelation 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Revelation 22:14 (KJV) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

GS1971

www.symbolicbible.com

jmc 2 years ago

only the father knows when!

Derrell Jr 2 years ago

My oppinion is Jesus is alive and well, he WILL NOT be reincarnated; because reincarnation DOES NOT EXIST. Noone will know the day nor the hour, Jesus will return as a thief in the night. Other words unexpectedly. We are near for the time of his return though.

laura 21 months ago

to get us chipped its not for our freedom and for use to control the world. with that chip they can track us where ever we go i believe its the mark of the beast they are going to make people get that chip it will go as far as when we need water or to provide for our families then we will have to use that chip to by food and water. everyone look up john paul jackson great guy and believer in the lord he talks about how god spoke to him about the next 10 years

+Michael 15 months ago

I am a Messenger for Peace!

Pray for Peace. I want Peace. I am wise enough to help the world make Peace Treaties. I have been counseled and taught by the Holy Spirit. Please stop judging and hurting others. Are we not better then this? We live in a civilization. So why not act civil then?

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My Holy Angels tell me millions will find the true Christ Jesus through this letter. That comprehension is beyond my level of imagination. I have traveled all over & I have also received one of the best educations in the world. I am not Elijah to come, the Messiah Jesus Christ, or one of the two witnesses.

I speak as a Servant of the Heavenly Father who is God Most High. In this document you will learn why I want peace because is because I learned something about the Tree of Death (Enmity) and the relationship to a Hebrew custom/ ritual called Brit Milah (Hata Fat Dam Brit). This is the true Law of Moses.

Please read all of this epistle. Just believe. I am not telling anyone to abideth in this or everything in this correspondence, your choice; not mine! Pray for Peace! I want it. I pray that Peace does come soon hoping that clarifies all the innuendos of this dictation of sorts.

I do believe you will learn from the labor and research I have committed to this endeavor. Enlightenment is sought after when you seek wisdom and understanding.So do please enjoy the ideology/dogma & theology/mysticism in this letter! *MY* “two cents worth” …

Whether everything in the Holy Bible presently is completely accurate or not to me *myself* is not important. But sadly many fight over these trysting *issues* everyday. My advice to all “is this”!! All you need to comprehend from these sacred texts “is to have LOVE one to another.” If you have love, then you find forgiveness on all … in truth, wisdom, understanding, patience, so forth. After this … you understand that in every religion the sources of sacred scriptures used from the Torah, the Holy Bible, The Koran, too the Texts of Buddha etc… is that every one defines the infinite eternal truth differently on Earth.

Though you're all unique being diverse beings. They're noticeable differences in each of the hundreds of church denominations on the planet. Aswell as the few thousand different religions that exist here also. Each of these factions have different precepts & laws they take heed in & abide by. These added sources only make it harder to live & bring division amongst the separate factions of believers in God for he did say don't add to his works given by my Servants to mankind by revelations from the Spirit of Truth or extra folly would come your way.People remove the hidden veils that blind you.

We need only recognize The commandments of God & Jesus Christ. That is to obey the Ten Commandments of God & the two golden commandments Jesus Christ taught us. Which is love God with all your Heart & love your neighbor as they self. Don't deliberately offend another for it will come back to you sevenfold. Also realize all Human Beings need to learn to get along, protect women from getting raped, protect children when we find they have been physically or sexually abused, take care of the orphaned, fatherless, the widower & most important issue to solve in the world is to cease wars & make peace treaties.

They're are things we need to learn about spirituality. People need to learn God has set up Universal Laws. God put them in place to make life fair for all. For example the Law of Cause & Affect & what you Sow you Reap also called karma are very important Universal Laws. Karma & Disciple are Aramaic words!

Many fear the great unknown, many are afraid of dying because they doubt or don't believe in the spirit world. Love unites us all. The real reason I believe each religion on Earth doesn't have the full truth is because each one casts stones on other's faith. We instead of embracing & learning from one another close doors without seeking knowledge & wisdom. Many Earthlings have become spiritually stagnant. We need to embrace love together as one entity for each of us is a part of the whole. If one transgresses we are all effected by that person's choice somehow.

You all that receive my investigated information written in this memo that walk in the same faith all believing in Jesus Christ. Whether you believe me or not or doubt anything one iota in this document. It is your God given right. I don't expect many to comprehend much of why the reason this letter needs to be given out. Nor do I expect most to understand much of the contents of the text in each written paragraph especially the last subject written about in this letter anyway. I do ask that you accept the jargon of knowledge I put in this as being truthful. You do not have to believe anything about the research of my family name amalgamations or my beliefs of what titles I claim.

We know our Lord Jesus Christ is coming back soon. Know our walks in services of giving charity, faith, & hope(The greatest of these being charity!) to others in need of clothing, food, running, water, medicine, & at times even shelters has not gone unnoticed by the Lord.

We all have made sacrifices for the needy during times of distress on Earth. When we were called to service for the Lord. We became bright candle lights for all those that couldn't find the light easily. God has not forgotten the works of the worthy. Neither has God forgotten those that cast inequity in their dimming candle light shadows.The Lord hopes these lost ones would seek out repentance.

The hope your beloved guardian angels have is undivided love for their individual charge they have looked over from the beginning of existence. The angels of humanity have faith all would accept Jesus Christ as Lord & king believing he was hung on the cross as the symbol of our salvation & the shedding of his blood on Earth some call Gaia was to make clean those that wanted atonement for the remission of their particular sins against the commandments of God & Christ. We as Christians believe this to be true. The angels are sad when their charge sins & denies Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit.

Take heed Earthlings for these signs listed below in the next paragraph will have to take place soon. Once these mysteries in the Heavens & the wonders on Earth do happen on this world to us the unforgettable & terrible day of the Lord will come to pass on this planet. Beware this day is fast approaching.

Soaring in space a unnoticed comet will strike Earth in thirteen years or less splashing into two oceans & one continent. The governments of the world will first target this comet with a tactical nuclear device. This will cause this rock to break into three smaller fragments. More then likely at full size this comet would of destroyed all life on Earth. This will trigger a series of events that will unfold on Earth. Then massive Tsunamis will strike several coasts of the Indian & Pacific oceans resulting in devastation & much loss of human & sea life. Massive Volcanic eruptions will occur around the world when the comet crashes into Earth also causing many tremendous earthquakes all over the planets surface. & the volcanic ash will cover parts of the planet's upped&r& atmosphere in a circle pattern of ash blanketing a third of the Earth from the Sun during daylight hours & a third of the Earth will be blanketed from the starlight & moonlight. There will be great loss of life but if this comet doesn’t strike Earth & these sequence of events don't unravel, unfold, & come to pass taking place; life on Earth will parish.

In nine years or less a great famine will strike the whole planet. Chem trai

Bible Confused 4 months ago

I will say I am not sure one way or the other. I have heard good arguments for both sides. I always look to Matthew 16 verses 27 to 28 which says that when Jesus returns he will reward every man for their deeds. VERILY i SAY TO YOU, THERE ARE SOME WHO STAND HERE THAT WILL NOT TASTE DEATH UNTIL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING WITH HIS KINGDOM. I also look at the gospel of Luke, I am not sure of the chapter or verse, but Jesus says that the kingdom of God does not appear with visible signs for the kingdom of God is within you and around you.

I also sometimes think maybe what Jesus meant by his second coming was that when he returned the second time it would be in the hearts of true believers. I am not sure.

I am not trying to push my views on other people. As a matter of fact, I don't have it all figured out and I like to hear others opinions on the subject to help me better understand the Bible. Maybe we'll never figure it all out, who knows :) God Bless

Sumner 2 months ago

Personally I believe the True Christ was born of a woman in the late 30s, and I believe His ante-type was born in the early 1960s, and they are both here presently living and moving among us. In Fact I know it. and many see him every day, and are not awear of it. He ppears as an ordinary man, nothing extraordinary at all. Thuis I know also. God will let the world know in His time, not my time or your time. "Us Puny Creatures"

And-Thats-The-Way-It-Is!

So-Mote-It-Be!

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